Out of 285 Frying Pan into 295 Fire. Help!

[macwynn]

Well I knew there would be issues, but oh boy.

Updgraded my GTX 285 2GB model to a GTX 295 Co-Op due to reading the posts at this forum about a guy getting it going in a Mac Pro so I figured I shouldn't have too many issues. At the very least getting one half of the card to work even if both GPU's weren't recognized. The thread is here...

forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=707745&page=11

So where I am now is trying strings with no luck and same with ATY_Init and Natit. Haven't tried an NVEnabler yet but the board shows up with one GPU correctly listed and the other in "Slot 1" as unknown.

Problem is I can only get 1280X1024 with no QE/CI.

Any suggestions oh super mega awesome Aquamac?

Had some issues about a year back with a 9800GTX and was eventually solved with some help from the gurus in the community (i.e. not me) but feel a graphics headache coming on.

Won't give up though, with OpenCL this situation is bound to change. Multi GPU support from Apple should be a no brainer. Right? Right?

Mac Wynn

[aquamac]

Macwynn,

Can you remind me what motherboard you have. You will most likely have to put the card in slot 2. You will also have to redo the location paths anyway (REDO STRINGS FROM SCRATCH) as dual board cards have extra an bridge in the way and have much longer pci addresses. Some boards like my Gigabyte DQ6 will not work with a dual card although it is fine with 2 actual cards as long as you boot from the second PEG 2.

Don't mess with any injector kexts - I have not come accross one yet that will work 2 cards properly. Your going to need Vista or Win 7 to get both PCI addresses and Leo to do the strings as the software will not work with snow although the fixed com.apple.boot.plist will work with Snow.

Good Luck!

[macwynn]

Macwynn,

Can you remind me what motherboard you have. You will most likely have to put the card in slot 2. You will also have to redo the location paths anyway (REDO STRINGS FROM SCRATCH) as dual board cards have extra an bridge in the way and have much longer pci addresses. Some boards like my Gigabyte DQ6 will not work with a dual card although it is fine with 2 actual cards as long as you boot from the second PEG 2.

Well I have an EX58-UD5 and I know I need to do the strings from scratch but this is the one PCB co-op 295 so I believe that makes a difference in me not having to go slot 2 and all.

Don't mess with any injector kexts - I have not come accross one yet that will work 2 cards properly. Your going to need Vista or Win 7 to get both PCI addresses and Leo to do the strings as the software will not work with snow although the fixed com.apple.boot.plist will work with Snow.

I saw a screen cap where the guy went into Windows to get the PCI Root of each GPU and kind of figured I would have to do that. Not a prob, just have to reboot.

As for using Leo to do the strings; why? What do I have to use that won't work in Snow? If you could give me a heads up on the process I can do it on my MB Pro.

GoodLuck!

Thanks I need it. Even with great guys like you, netkas et al to help. Should have kept programming after 15 instead of going the pure computer graphics route. Too old to shift gears at 40 tho. CG is my thing but I am trying to find time to get better at scripting, etc. So much of the concepts of what we're doing code wise in this scene I "get" but don't have the chops to implement. So thank God for guys like you! And XML plists. hehehehe

I owe you a pizza.

Mac Wynn

[macwynn]

Ok Aqua maybe you can help me get to the next stage.

Went to the Device Mgr in Windows 7 and got this for the PCI Root.

1st Device
PCIROOT(0)#PCI(0300)#PCI(0000)#PCI(0000)#PCI(0000)

2nd Device
PCIROOT(0)#PCI(0300)#PCI(0000)#PCI(0200)#PCI(0000)

My gfxutil display in Terminal for my first card (GPU) is:
PciRoot(0x1)/Pci(0x3,0x0)/Pci(0x0,0x0)/Pci(0x2,0x0)/Pci(0x0,0x0)

so my gfx.plis file currently looks like this and I am pretty sure I got something wrong....

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
<plist version="1.0">
<dict>
<key>PciRoot(0x1)/Pci(0x3,0x0)/Pci(0x0,0x0)/Pci(0x0,0x0)/Pci(0x0,0x0)</key>
<dict>
<key>@0,compatible</key>
<string>NVDA,NVMac</string>
<key>@0,device_type</key>
<string>display</string>
<key>@0,name</key>
<string>NVDA,Display-A</string>
<key>@1,compatible</key>
<string>NVDA,NVMac</string>
<key>@1,device_type</key>
<string>display</string>
<key>@1,name</key>
<string>NVDA,Display-B</string>
<key>@2,#adress-cells</key>
<string>0x01000000</string>
<key>@2,#size-cells</key>
<string>0x00000000</string>
<key>@2,compatible</key>
<string>NVDA,sensor-parent</string>
<key>@2,device_type</key>
<string>NVDA,gpu-diode</string>
<key>@2,hwctrl-params-version</key>
<string>0x02000000</string>
<key>@2,hwsensor-params-version</key>
<string>0x02000000</string>
<key>@2,name</key>
<string>sensor-parent</string>
<key>@2,reg</key>
<string>0x02000000</string>
<key>NVCAP</key>
<data>
BQAAAAAAAwAMAAAAAAAACwAAAAA=
</data>
<key>VRAM,totalsize</key>
<data>
AAAAOA==
</data>
<key>device_type</key>
<string>NVDA,GeForce</string>
<key>model</key>
<string>NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295</string>
<key>name</key>
<string>NVDA,Parent</string>
<key>rom-revision</key>
<string>62.00.6C.00.02</string>
</dict>
<key>PciRoot(0x1)/Pci(0x3,0x0)/Pci(0x0,0x0)/Pci(0x2,0x0)/Pci(0x0,0x0)</key>
<dict>
<key>@0,compatible</key>
<string>NVDA,NVMac</string>
<key>@0,device_type</key>
<string>display</string>
<key>@0,name</key>
<string>NVDA,Display-A</string>
<key>@1,compatible</key>
<string>NVDA,NVMac</string>
<key>@1,device_type</key>
<string>display</string>
<key>@1,name</key>
<string>NVDA,Display-B</string>
<key>@2,#adress-cells</key>
<string>0x01000000</string>
<key>@2,#size-cells</key>
<string>0x00000000</string>
<key>@2,compatible</key>
<string>NVDA,sensor-parent</string>
<key>@2,device_type</key>
<string>NVDA,gpu-diode</string>
<key>@2,hwctrl-params-version</key>
<string>0x02000000</string>
<key>@2,hwsensor-params-version</key>
<string>0x02000000</string>
<key>@2,name</key>
<string>sensor-parent</string>
<key>@2,reg</key>
<string>0x02000000</string>
<key>NVCAP</key>
<data>
BAAAAAAAAwAcAAAAAAAACgAAAAA=
</data>
<key>NVPM</key>
<data>
AQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA==
</data>
<key>VRAM,totalsize</key>
<data>
AAAAOA==
</data>
<key>device_type</key>
<string>NVDA,GeForce</string>
<key>model</key>
<string>NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295</string>
<key>name</key>
<string>NVDA,Parent</string>
<key>rom-revision</key>
<string>62.00.6C.00.01</string>
</dict>
</dict>
</plist>

I am still only at 1 screen, no QE/CI 1280X1024.

Not using any injectors, and just the stock NV* and Ge* kexts with the devid changed in NVDANV50Hal.kext to 0x05eb10de&0xfff8ffff. I also do not have Graphics Enable = yes on either.

Hope to hear back, until then it's hack and reboot, hack and reboot.

Mac Wynn

[aquamac]

Macwynn,

I am pretty sure this is not going to work without putting the card in Slot 2 period. That is just the way it is on some boards and Gigabytes especially. Try as I may, I could never get a 9800 GX2 going on my X48-DQ6 even though I got it going on 3 other boards.

2nd thing: Making GFX Strings in Snow Leopard will not work. Snow outputs the wrong code. Compare it to the code Leopard puts out and they are different - so it will never work untill GFX strings code is updated to work with Snow Leopard. You will get what you got but will never get QE & CI.

So, remake your output file only in Leopard (Snow Leopard is fine for updating the input file). Try with Slot 1 to start with, if that does not work, try in slot 2 with updated PCI addresses.

[macwynn]

Well at least you have given me something else to work with than trying random PCIRoot String variants.

EDIT: Duh. Just need to run the gfxutil on Leo so my MB Pro will do just fine. Looks like I will be installing Leo on this bad boy after all. Was going to but opted to not. Will be installing on a little 250GB drive I have and then doing as you suggest. Would like to keep it in slot 1 (not sure why I guess it's the "idea" of using slot 2 being just wrong hehe) but once I get it going in Leo then I will be good in SL and at that point I don't care what slot it's in.

Thanks Aqua. You have been a big help.

Will keep you posted on results.

BTW, is that why my PCIRoot shows the 3 value instead of 1? It wants to be in slot 2?

Mac Wynn

[macwynn]

I may (duh) be doing this wrong.

If you are saying that I can't even do ./gfxutil -f display in SL and get a proper string back, then I am definitely going to need to put Leo on this machine.

If the PCIRoot from gfxutil is correct in SL which is now in SLot 2....

PciRoot(0x1)/Pci(0x7,0x0)/Pci(0x0,0x0)/Pci(0x2,0x0)/Pci(0x0,0x0)

And I then take that info as well as the NVCAP values from IORegistryExplorer (again in SL) and then build my out.hex file in Leo...

And it still doesn't work, then I must...

INSTALL LEO ON THIS SYSTEM AND GET THE STRING THAT WAY!

Right?!?!?!?!?! Argh.

If installing Leo lets this work then so be it. Lost count but that will make the 1,228th time I have installed OS X. Or somewhere around there. Sometimes I do it for fun's sake alone. Not.

Mac Wynn

[aquamac]

No need to install Leo if you already have it on your Macbook Pro. You can get the PCI addresses in Snow Leopard no problem, it is only the output file that Snow Leopard messes up. Just do the output file in Leo. The PCI location path address is always longer on a dual card as there is an extra controller bridge between the graphics chip and slot.

[macwynn]

Ok that is what I thought, hence my edited post. I still seem to be doing something wrong tho, cause all I can get is 1 screen at 1280, no QE/CI.

To recap, I have my PCIRoot which is now....

PciRoot(0x1)/Pci(0x7,0x0)/Pci(0x0,0x0)/Pci(0x2,0x0)/Pci(0x0,0x0)

That is in slot 2 on the board.

I am using Cham RC3 and the ATY_Init to get my values in IOReg, which are listed under the two GFX@0 values.

I edited the NVCAP values using IOReg Explorer and I am getting the following plist....

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
<plist version="1.0">
<dict>
<key>PciRoot(0x1)/Pci(0x7,0x0)/Pci(0x0,0x0)/Pci(0x0,0x0)/Pci(0x0,0x0)</key>
<dict>
<key>@0,compatible</key>
<string>NVDA,NVMac</string>
<key>@0,device_type</key>
<string>display</string>
<key>@0,name</key>
<string>NVDA,Display-A</string>
<key>@1,compatible</key>
<string>NVDA,NVMac</string>
<key>@1,device_type</key>
<string>display</string>
<key>@1,name</key>
<string>NVDA,Display-B</string>
<key>@2,#adress-cells</key>
<string>0x01000000</string>
<key>@2,#size-cells</key>
<string>0x00000000</string>
<key>@2,compatible</key>
<string>NVDA,sensor-parent</string>
<key>@2,device_type</key>
<string>NVDA,gpu-diode</string>
<key>@2,hwctrl-params-version</key>
<string>0x02000000</string>
<key>@2,hwsensor-params-version</key>
<string>0x02000000</string>
<key>@2,name</key>
<string>sensor-parent</string>
<key>@2,reg</key>
<string>0x02000000</string>
<key>NVCAP</key>
<data>
BQAAAAAAAwAMAAAAAAAACwAAAAA=
</data>
<key>NVPM</key>
<data>
AQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA==
</data>
<key>VRAM,totalsize</key>
<data>
AAAAOA==
</data>
<key>device_type</key>
<string>NVDA,GeForce</string>
<key>model</key>
<string>NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295</string>
<key>name</key>
<string>NVDA,Parent</string>
<key>rom-revision</key>
<string>62.00.6C.00.01</string>
</dict>
<key>PciRoot(0x1)/Pci(0x7,0x0)/Pci(0x0,0x0)/Pci(0x2,0x0)/Pci(0x0,0x0)</key>
<dict>
<key>@0,compatible</key>
<string>NVDA,NVMac</string>
<key>@0,device_type</key>
<string>display</string>
<key>@0,name</key>
<string>NVDA,Display-A</string>
<key>@1,compatible</key>
<string>NVDA,NVMac</string>
<key>@1,device_type</key>
<string>display</string>
<key>@1,name</key>
<string>NVDA,Display-B</string>
<key>@2,#adress-cells</key>
<string>0x01000000</string>
<key>@2,#size-cells</key>
<string>0x00000000</string>
<key>@2,compatible</key>
<string>NVDA,sensor-parent</string>
<key>@2,device_type</key>
<string>NVDA,gpu-diode</string>
<key>@2,hwctrl-params-version</key>
<string>0x02000000</string>
<key>@2,hwsensor-params-version</key>
<string>0x02000000</string>
<key>@2,name</key>
<string>sensor-parent</string>
<key>@2,reg</key>
<string>0x02000000</string>
<key>NVCAP</key>
<data>
BQAAAAAAAwAMAAAAAAAACwAAAAA=
</data>
<key>NVPM</key>
<data>
AQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA==
</data>
<key>VRAM,totalsize</key>
<data>
AAAAOA==
</data>
<key>device_type</key>
<string>NVDA,GeForce</string>
<key>model</key>
<string>NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295</string>
<key>name</key>
<string>NVDA,Parent</string>
<key>rom-revision</key>
<string>62.00.6C.00.02</string>
</dict>
</dict>
</plist>

When I make the plist in Leo and bring it over, I take out the ATY_Init kext, rebuild caches, put it in com.apple.boot.plist in the Extra folder, and restart.

End up with same situation, 1280X1024, 1 screen, no QE/CI.

What oh what great Aqua am I missing?

EDIT: I used Cham RC3 instead of PC-EFI 10.4.3 from netkas so I would not have any other enabler in the loop. Not sure if that was a great idea or not, just trying to remove "other" factors.

EDIT2: One more weird thing is Preview won't even allow me a screen grab! Blank image when capping a window, and trying entire screem crashes. Was going to show you my IOReg but, there it is.

Thanks bud, will be nice when I can work on this machine fully. Only been built for three weeks, have been fighting RAM problems which will be solved witha replacement kit this week.

Thanks again man...

Mac Wynn

PS do you have a numeric/alpha to binary converter app you use to get values when the actual device is not in front of you?

[aquamac]

Right Mac Wynn,

I am going to make the com.apple.boot.plist for you and see if that works. Can you just let me know what NVCAP you are using?

[aquamac]

Here you go - This is your input and output file (for ref), and a fixed com.apple.boot.plist for slot 2 only based on the PCIe addresses that you gave me:

rapidshare.com/files/301029252/Mac_Wynn_s_GTX295_Strings_-_Slot_2.zip

Just swap for your current com.apple.boot.plist. Try it just as it is and let me know how it goes.

[macwynn]

Hey Aqua...

Thanks for bearing with me on this but I am still having issues, the same one. Can only get 1280X1024 1 screen no QE/Ci. I deleted ATY_Init, and have the GeForce and NV* kexts in S/L/E along with the dev id changed in NVDA--50 and NVDAResman kext to 0x05eb and the System Profiler shows all is fine spec wise.

Tried it with your string and then redid it as the NVCAP I get with ATY_Init not loaded is different. When ATY is loaded it shows up as GFX@0 and when not loaded it shows up as display@0, and the NVCAP's are different so I brought the edited plist over to my MBook Pro and redid them.

Both give me the same result. I have an Asus 24" 1920X1080 display and a 40" Samsung 1080p set, both had no probs connecting with three other units so I am almost positive it is not the displays.

As for the system itself through this I even reinstalled the 10.6.1 update to clear the S/L/E folder of EVGA kexts, and I have no injectors that I know of in S/L/E or /Extra. I did install CUDA and just deleted the kext and will reboot after this msg but just to be on he same page, here is my revised in.plist, again just NVCAP and NVPM values changed.

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
<plist version="1.0">
<dict>
<key>PciRoot(0x1)/Pci(0x7,0x0)/Pci(0x0,0x0)/Pci(0x0,0x0)/Pci(0x0,0x0)</key>
<dict>
<key>@0,compatible</key>
<data>
TlZEQSxOVk1hYw==
</data>
<key>@0,device_type</key>
<data>
ZGlzcGxheQ==
</data>
<key>@0,name</key>
<data>
TlZEQSxEaXNwbGF5LUE=
</data>
<key>@1,compatible</key>
<data>
TlZEQSxOVk1hYw==
</data>
<key>@1,device_type</key>
<data>
ZGlzcGxheQ==
</data>
<key>@1,name</key>
<data>
TlZEQSxEaXNwbGF5LUI=
</data>
<key>@2,#adress-cells</key>
<data>
AAAAAQ==
</data>
<key>@2,#size-cells</key>
<data>
AAAAAA==
</data>
<key>@2,compatible</key>
<data>
TlZEQSxzZW5zb3ItcGFyZW50
</data>
<key>@2,device_type</key>
<data>
TlZEQSxncHUtZGlvZGU=
</data>
<key>@2,hwctrl-params-version</key>
<data>
AAAAAg==
</data>
<key>@2,hwsensor-params-version</key>
<data>
AAAAAg==
</data>
<key>@2,name</key>
<data>
c2Vuc29yLXBhcmVudA==
</data>
<key>@2,reg</key>
<data>
AAAAAg==
</data>
<key>AAPL,slot-name</key>
<data>
UENJZSBTbG90IDU=
</data>
<key>NVCAP</key>
<data>
BAAAAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAABwAAAAA=
</data>
<key>NVPM</key>
<data>
AQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA==
</data>
<key>VRAM,totalsize</key>
<data>
AAAAOA==
</data>
<key>device_type</key>
<data>
TlZEQSxHZUZvcmNl
</data>
<key>model</key>
<data>
TlZJRElBIEdlRm9yY2UgR1RYIDI5NQ==
</data>
<key>name</key>
<data>
TlZEQSxQYXJlbnQ=
</data>
<key>rom-revision</key>
<data>
MzE3MmE=
</data>
</dict>
<key>PciRoot(0x1)/Pci(0x7,0x0)/Pci(0x0,0x0)/Pci(0x2,0x0)/Pci(0x0,0x0)</key>
<dict>
<key>@0,compatible</key>
<data>
TlZEQSxOVk1hYw==
</data>
<key>@0,device_type</key>
<data>
ZGlzcGxheQ==
</data>
<key>@0,name</key>
<data>
TlZEQSxEaXNwbGF5LUE=
</data>
<key>@1,compatible</key>
<data>
TlZEQSxOVk1hYw==
</data>
<key>@1,device_type</key>
<data>
ZGlzcGxheQ==
</data>
<key>@1,name</key>
<data>
TlZEQSxEaXNwbGF5LUI=
</data>
<key>@2,#adress-cells</key>
<data>
AAAAAQ==
</data>
<key>@2,#size-cells</key>
<data>
AAAAAA==
</data>
<key>@2,compatible</key>
<data>
TlZEQSxzZW5zb3ItcGFyZW50
</data>
<key>@2,device_type</key>
<data>
TlZEQSxncHUtZGlvZGU=
</data>
<key>@2,hwctrl-params-version</key>
<data>
AAAAAg==
</data>
<key>@2,hwsensor-params-version</key>
<data>
AAAAAg==
</data>
<key>@2,name</key>
<data>
c2Vuc29yLXBhcmVudA==
</data>
<key>@2,reg</key>
<data>
AAAAAg==
</data>
<key>AAPL,slot-name</key>
<data>
UENJZSBTbG90IDVh
</data>
<key>NVCAP</key>
<data>
BAAAAAAADwAAAAAAAAAABwAAAAA=
</data>
<key>NVPM</key>
<data>
AQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA==
</data>
<key>VRAM,totalsize</key>
<data>
AAAAOA==
</data>
<key>device_type</key>
<data>
TlZEQSxHZUZvcmNl
</data>
<key>model</key>
<data>
TlZJRElBIEdlRm9yY2UgR1RYIDI5NQ==
</data>
<key>name</key>
<data>
TlZEQSxQYXJlbnQ=
</data>
<key>rom-revision</key>
<data>
MzE3MmE=
</data>
</dict>
</dict>
</plist>


Also to make sure we're on the same page, here again is my PCIRoot:
PciRoot(0x1)/Pci(0x7,0x0)/Pci(0x0,0x0)/Pci(0x2,0x0)/Pci(0x0,0x0)

As seen by SL.

I really am a bit thrown, the last time I had this prob was a while back with a 9800GX2 and that was solved but Lord help me I can't recall how at this point. Something with nvInject and Natit I believe.

You are a true gentleman for putting up with/helping me.

Where doth we venture from here? A fresh SL Install? Say it ain't so.

EDIT: In case it matters, Sys Profiler shows the first 295 Instance at PCIe Slot 5a and the 2nd at PCIe Slot 5 if that means anything.

Mac Wynn

[aquamac]

The two NVcaps will be different, there should be no need to change them from the ones I used. Can you put up a grab of system profiler?The reason you are seeing PCI Slot 5 & 5a is because that is how I set the in.plist. It is purely cosmetic.

[macwynn]

Screen grab crashes or displays a blank window. I know weird. Here it is copied and pasted....

nVidia GeForce GTX 295 TYPE - GPU BUS - PCIE SLOT - PCIe Slot 5a

Chipset Model: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295
Type: GPU
Bus: PCIe
Slot: PCIe Slot 5a
PCIe Lane Width: x16
VRAM (Total): 896 MB
Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de)
Device ID: 0x05eb
Revision ID: 0x00a1
ROM Revision: 3172a
Displays:
Display:
Resolution: 1280 x 1024
Pixel Depth: 32-Bit Color (ARGB8888)
Main Display: Yes
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Display Connector:

nVidia GeForce GTX 295 TYPE - GPU BUS - PCIE SLOT - PCIe Slot 5

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295:

Chipset Model: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295
Type: GPU
Bus: PCIe
Slot: PCIe Slot 5a
PCIe Lane Width: x16
VRAM (Total): 896 MB
Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de)
Device ID: 0x05eb
Revision ID: 0x00a1
ROM Revision: 3172a
Displays:
Display:
Resolution: 1280 x 1024
Pixel Depth: 32-Bit Color (ARGB8888)
Main Display: Yes
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Display Connector:

I used the hex values for the ROM revision in IOReg Exp so that may be wrong in the hex. When ATY_Init was loaded it came back netkas.org of course.

Ball lobbed over the net....

Mac Wynn

[macwynn]

But who cares about that right?

BTW also, thanks for giving me all the files so I could check them out and try to learn a little more.... hate flying blind....

Mac